Legislature(1997 - 1998)

02/25/1998 05:10 PM House ITT

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HOUSE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON                                                     
INTERNATIONAL TRADE AND TOURISM                                                
February 25, 1998                                                              
5:10 p.m.                                                                      
                                                                               
                                                                               
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                
                                                                               
Representative John Cowdery, Chairman                                          
Representative Eldon Mulder                                                    
Representative Gail Phillips                                                   
Representative Joe Ryan                                                        
Representative Kim Elton                                                       
Representative Reggie Joule                                                    
                                                                               
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                 
                                                                               
Representative Pete Kott                                                       
                                                                               
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                             
                                                                               
HOUSE BILL NO. 432                                                             
"An Act relating to the bond authorization for international                   
airports revenue bonds; and providing for an effective date."                  
                                                                               
     - HEARD AND HELD                                                          
                                                                               
* HOUSE BILL NO. 382                                                           
"An Act relating to international airports revenue bonds; and                  
providing for an effective date."                                              
                                                                               
     - BILL HEARING CANCELLED                                                  
                                                                               
(* First public hearing)                                                       
                                                                               
PREVIOUS ACTION                                                                
                                                                               
BILL: HB 432                                                                   
SHORT TITLE: AIRPORT REVENUE BONDS                                             
SPONSOR(S): REPRESENTATIVES(S) COWDERY                                         
                                                                               
Jrn-Date    Jrn-Page           Action                                          
02/18/98      2353     (H)  READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRAL(S)                  
02/18/98      2353     (H)  ITT, TRANSPORTATION, FINANCE                       
02/24/98               (H)  ITT AT  5:00 PM BUTROVICH RM 205                   
02/24/98               (H)  MINUTE(ITT)                                        
02/25/98               (H)  ITT AT  5:00 PM BELTZ ROOM 211                     
                                                                               
WITNESS REGISTER                                                               
                                                                               
JOE SPRAGUE, Marketing Director                                                
ERA Aviation                                                                   
6160 Carl Brady Drive                                                          
Anchorage, Alaska  99502                                                       
Telephone:  (907) 248-4422                                                     
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified on HB 432.                                      
                                                                               
GEORGE KING, Airport Financial Consultant                                      
  and Bond Issue Advisor                                                       
Hudson AIPF                                                                    
730 Fifth Avenue, Ninth Floor                                                  
New York, New York  10019                                                      
Telephone:  (212) 333-8684                                                     
POSITION STATEMENT:  Answered questions on HB 432.                             
                                                                               
KURT PARKAN, Deputy Commissioner                                               
Department of Transportation & Public Facilities                               
3132 Channel Drive                                                             
Juneau, Alaska  99801                                                          
Telephone:  (907) 6977                                                         
POSITION STATEMENT:  Commented on HB 432.                                      
                                                                               
DON HARRIS                                                                     
Box 49                                                                         
McGrath, Alaska                                                                
Telephone:  Not Provided                                                       
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified on HB 432.                                      
                                                                               
BILL ELANDER, President and Chief Executive Officer                            
Anchorage Convention and Visitors Bureau                                       
524 West 4th Avenue                                                            
Anchorage, Alaska  99501                                                       
Telephone:  (907) 276-4118                                                     
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified on HB 432.                                      
                                                                               
MORT PLUMB, Director                                                           
Anchorage International Airport                                                
P.O. Box 196960                                                                
Anchorage, Alaska  99519                                                       
Telephone:  (907) 266-2525                                                     
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified on HB 432.                                      
                                                                               
JOHN UNGER, Controller                                                         
Anchorage International Airport                                                
P.O. Box 196960                                                                
Anchorage, Alaska  99519                                                       
Telephone:  (907) 266-2541                                                     
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified on HB 432.                                      
                                                                               
DONN KETNER, Architect                                                         
CCS                                                                            
3884 Caravell Drive                                                            
Anchorage, Alaska  99502                                                       
Telephone:  (907) 266-1693                                                     
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified on HB 432.                                      
                                                                               
DAVID EBERLE, Director                                                         
Construction & Operation, Central Region                                       
Department of Transportation & Public Facilities                               
P.O. Box 196960                                                                
Anchorage, Alaska  99519                                                       
Telephone:  (907) 269-0780                                                     
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified on HB 432.                                      
                                                                               
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                               
                                                                               
TAPE 98-3, SIDE A                                                              
Number 0001                                                                    
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN JOHN COWDERY called the House Special Committee on                    
International Trade and Tourism meeting to order at 5:10 p.m.                  
Members present at the call to order were Representatives Cowdery,             
Mulder, Phillips, Elton and Joule.  Representative Ryan arrived at             
5:17 p.m.  Representative Kott was absent.                                     
                                                                               
HB 432 - AIRPORT REVENUE BONDS                                                 
                                                                               
Number 0033                                                                    
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN COWDERY said the committee would be considering HB 432,               
"An Act relating to the bond authorization for international                   
airports revenue bonds; and providing for an effective date."  It              
was the intention of the committee to take public testimony and ask            
questions of the airport administration.  He said that HB 432 would            
provide authorization for the state to issue up to $280 million in             
revenue bonds to fund improvements at the Anchorage International              
Airport (AIA).  The amount of the bonding authorization may change             
depending on what the committee learns in the legislative process.             
Chairman Cowdery said he sponsored HB 432 because he supports                  
development and improvements of the airport, but it is the                     
committee's responsibility to develop a complete and accurate                  
record.                                                                        
                                                                               
Number 0056                                                                    
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN COWDERY called an at-ease at 5:13 p.m. due to a                       
teleconference malfunction.                                                    
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN COWDERY called the meeting back to order at 5:18 p.m.  He             
asked Joe Sprague from ERA Aviation to present his testimony at                
this time.                                                                     
                                                                               
Number 0081                                                                    
                                                                               
JOE SPRAGUE, Marketing Director, ERA Aviation, testified via                   
teleconference from Anchorage.  He was representing Charles                    
Johnson, President of ERA Aviation and was testifying on behalf of             
ERA to present their views on the Administration's Anchorage                   
Airport Terminal Expansion 2005 Project.  He said, "First and                  
foremost, allow me to make one point very clear.  ERA supports                 
terminal renovation and expansion at Anchorage.  We always have and            
we believe the time has come to embark on a businesslike plan for              
renovation and expansion that is appropriate to legitimate needs.              
We believe that the Administration's proposed project could serve              
as a  broad concept for long-range planning for future needs if and            
when they arise."                                                              
                                                                               
Number  0101                                                                   
                                                                               
MR. SPRAGUE continued, "From what position does ERA share its                  
views?  ERA enplanes approximately 10 percent of the domestic                  
passengers using Anchorage International Airport.  We spend much of            
the year as the second busiest carrier at the airport, behind only             
Alaska Airlines in terms of enplanements. Many of the nearly                   
450,000 passengers carried annually by ERA are not visitors, but               
residents of the state.  Additionally, we employ over 250 Alaskans             
at the airport.  This past November we voted against the terminal              
expansion 2005 project as presented by the Administration on the               
signatory airline ballot.  A copy of our cover letter and ballot               
have been distributed to you and in our letter attached to the                 
ballot, we stated that the ballot does not include alternatives to             
the massive and costly project that we can be comfortable with.  We            
are limited to one source of funds and a minimum size and price for            
the project.  In that vote, a total of 12 signatory airlines voted             
against the project.  Only 10 voted for it and 3 did not vote - 12             
airlines voted against it, 10 for it."                                         
                                                                               
Number 0120                                                                    
                                                                               
MR. SPRAGUE further stated, "Today, as then, the Administration                
freely admits that the project, as proposed, still remains only a              
concept.  This concept is still in its infancy and the estimated               
costs can only be best guesses, to be changed later by yet a                   
merging design concept.  Therefore, in view of our commitments to              
our customers, our fellow citizens, our employees and our                      
shareholders we have no choice but to continue opposing the project            
as presented by the Administration.  In the letter accompanying our            
vote, we also encouraged and offered to participate in a                       
cooperative effort involving representatives from all the terminal             
users to establish terminal renovation and expansion plans that                
might better meet the needs of all concerned.  We stand by that                
offer."                                                                        
                                                                               
Number 0133                                                                    
                                                                               
MR. SPRAGUE continued, "We agree that the airport is a tremendous              
economic benefit to the citizens of Anchorage and the entire state.            
We also agree we should plan and build for the future.  We must all            
keep in mind, however, that the cost of these improvements will                
ultimately be borne in large measure by the citizens of our state.             
These costs should be thoroughly and rigorously justified.  There              
are questions surrounding this project.  How good are the analysis             
offered in support of this project?  For example, although                     
passenger traffic at Anchorage has increased over the last ten                 
years, it has remained essentially flat since May of 1997.  What               
will continued failure to meet growth projections do to the cost               
that all of us must bear.  There are abundant examples, both within            
Alaska and across the nation, of how quickly airline passenger                 
traffic levels can change and what happens to business at airports             
when costs skyrocket due to over-building. Additionally, the                   
Administration's plan proposes to increase airline lease space by              
75 percent and concession space by 100 percent but has gathered no             
commitments for any of this additional space."                                 
                                                                               
MR. SPRAGUE said, "As I mentioned earlier we do believe the concept            
being presented by the Administration has some merit as a potential            
long-term master plan.  Last June in fact, all participating                   
airlines including United, Delta, Alaska Airlines, Northwest, ERA,             
PennAir and Northern Air Cargo favored an incremental approach to              
terminal renovation and expansion.  We were on a course to                     
establish priorities and do the most important things first.  In               
July, the airport administration proposed a $33 million incremental            
approach.  However, by October, the number was $191 million; in                
November, it was reduced to $164.5 million; last month it was $235             
million; and now the legislature is finally being asked to                     
authorize bonding for $204 million.  Whatever the final cost, this             
is a major investment.  Again, one that merits careful                         
consideration and reasoned discussion among airport users, airport             
staff, legislators and other community leaders.  We all want a                 
modern, efficient airport terminal.  The needs of our present                  
facility are readily apparent.  C Concourse was built in the early             
1950s and renovation studies have been ongoing for at least the                
last ten years.  There are legitimate needs in the main terminal               
baggage handling areas and ticket lobby areas."                                
                                                                               
Number 0175                                                                    
                                                                               
MR. SPRAGUE stressed, "Before rushing forward however, we must                 
develop a sound business plan that prioritizes problem areas and               
identifies cost effective solutions.  We must learn from the                   
experiences of others, also.  There are examples around the country            
of airports that overexpanded; places like San Jose and Denver,                
where high terminal costs resulted in downturns in airline                     
activity.  We must consider this possibility in Anchorage.  The                
Administration has done a good job attracting cargo carriers to                
Anchorage.  These carriers employ many hundreds of Alaskans and                
there are good prospects for more cargo carriers to come.  These               
carriers, however, will pay a substantial portion of the terminal              
expansion costs; perhaps as much as 30 to 40 percent for the next              
25 years.  How will this affect the decisions of potential new                 
cargo carriers, or for that matter, the existing ones."                        
                                                                               
Number 0188                                                                    
                                                                               
MR. SPRAGUE concluded, "In closing, we believe the Administration's            
Terminal Expansion 2005 concept merits serious and careful                     
consideration.  We have the expertise right here in Alaska to                  
evaluate and prioritize the legitimate needs at the Anchorage                  
International Airport and to come up with sound, fiscally                      
responsible plans to meet those needs.  This is an opportunity that            
we cannot afford to miss and we should do it right."                           
                                                                               
Number 0197                                                                    
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE JOE RYAN asked if he was correct in assuming that               
FedEx and UPS don't do any breakdown of loads or redistribution but            
they use the Anchorage International Airport for a local fuel stop             
and for whatever local freight comes into Anchorage.                           
                                                                               
MR. SPRAGUE said he would defer that question to the airport                   
administration since he is no expert on the plans of FedEx and UPS.            
                                                                               
Number 0212                                                                    
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN COWDERY asked what percentage does ERA contribute to                  
airport revenues.                                                              
                                                                               
MR. SPRAGUE replied he didn't have that figure, but the larger                 
airlines - Alaska, United, Delta - contribute in total about 85                
percent, so obviously ERA would be in the smaller percentage.  He              
added that ERA does, however, carry a significant portion of the               
traffic.  Often times throughout the year, ERA is the number 2                 
carrier in terms of the number of passengers boarded at the                    
airport.                                                                       
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN COWDERY noted that Mr. Sprague's earlier testimony                    
indicated that more carriers voted against this project than for               
it.  He asked how the voting process was set up so the majority                
doesn't rule.                                                                  
                                                                               
MR. SPRAGUE said that question would perhaps be more appropriately             
directed to the airport administration or Mr. Argue who addressed              
the committee the previous evening.  It was his understanding that             
it takes a two-thirds majority vote to disapprove a project, so in             
this case even though the majority number did vote to disapprove,              
it was not a two-thirds majority, therefore, the vote carried to               
approve the project.                                                           
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN COWDERY inquired if this was a common way of doing things             
in other airports.                                                             
                                                                               
MR. SPRAGUE was not aware of how it's done at other airports.                  
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN COWDERY asked if ERA's landing fees had increased or                  
decreased in the last two or three years.                                      
                                                                               
MR. SPRAGUE said there had been some fluctuation in the landing                
fees; both increases and decreases, but he wasn't sure exactly what            
they had been.  He added that ERA has been presented with cost                 
estimates that landing fees would certainly increase with this                 
project over the next few years.                                               
                                                                               
Number 0239                                                                    
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE GAIL PHILLIPS asked if it was Mr. Sprague's                     
understanding that several of the carriers voting in the                       
affirmative based their votes on the institution of the passenger              
facility charge.                                                               
                                                                               
MR. SPRAGUE said that was his understanding.                                   
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE PHILLIPS asked of the 10 carriers voting to approve             
the project, how many voted with that stipulation on their vote.               
                                                                               
MR. SPRAGUE responded there were multiples, but he didn't have the             
exact number.                                                                  
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE PHILLIPS asked if those votes were counted as                   
straight "yes" votes.                                                          
                                                                               
MR. SPRAGUE responded in the affirmative.                                      
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE PHILLIPS asked if this project were to go into                  
place, and several of the carriers that voted for this project                 
decided to cease doing business in Anchorage, what would the impact            
be on ERA.                                                                     
                                                                               
MR. SPRAGUE explained the airline operation of ERA only operates               
within the state of Alaska with Anchorage being the only hub.                  
Therefore, if there were fewer carriers paying for the overall cost            
of this project, ERA doesn't have a choice of going elsewhere;                 
therefore, ERA would pick up additional costs.                                 
                                                                               
Number 0260                                                                    
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE RYAN asked if ERA paid landing fees and rental fees             
for the ticket counter and gate space.                                         
                                                                               
MR. SPRAGUE responded affirmatively.                                           
                                                                               
Number 0264                                                                    
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE ELDON MULDER asked Mr. Sprague if he thought the                
airport needed to be expanded or renovated.                                    
                                                                               
MR. SPRAGUE said, "Yes, we certainly do."                                      
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE MULDER inquired if the C Concourse and ticket                   
counter space occupied by ERA was sufficient.                                  
                                                                               
MR. SPRAGUE responded that in terms of sufficient, the available               
space ERA has on the C Concourse is certainly sufficient; they are             
not seeking additional space in a renovated C Concourse.  However,             
the other discrepancies with C Concourse in terms of age and                   
condition are well known and ERA would not argue there certainly               
needs to be some improvements.                                                 
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE MULDER asked if ERA would be looking for additional             
ticket counter space if the renovation were to occur.                          
                                                                               
MR. SPRAGUE respond that ERA would not be seeking any additional               
space.                                                                         
                                                                               
Number 0278                                                                    
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE PHILLIPS said, "I'd like to put something on the                
record. One of my first jobs in Anchorage, quite a few years ago,              
was working at the ticket counter as a ticket agent for Western                
Airlines in the basement of C Concourse, so that's been a lot of               
years."                                                                        
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN COWDERY asked if there were further questions of Mr.                  
Sprague.  There being none, he asked George King if he had any                 
remarks.                                                                       
                                                                               
Number 0286                                                                    
                                                                               
GEORGE KING, Airport Financial Consultant and Bond Issue Advisor,              
Hudson AIPF, said he had presented his testimony at the previous               
meeting and was available to answer questions.  In answer to the               
question that had been raised at the previous meeting;                         
specifically, what is the impact in dollars of a 100 basis point               
move, he had looked at that question from two perspectives.  First,            
if the $179 million issue had a 100 basis point move, the total                
additional interest paid over the life of the transaction would be             
about $33 million and if the $25 million portion had a 100 basis               
point move, the additional interest paid over the life of the                  
transaction for just that $25 million portion would be about $4.6              
million.                                                                       
                                                                               
Number 0306                                                                    
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN COWDERY questioned if, in fact, the 100 basis points came             
in existence before the bonds were sold, was it Mr. King's opinion,            
the project would have to be scaled back.                                      
                                                                               
MR. KING said no, actually in the financial model used in                      
calculating the rates and charges estimates that were given to the             
airlines, they used interest rates at that time which are quite                
close to the rates which are in effect today with a 100 basis point            
cushion.  So, a 100 basis point move would be about at the same                
point when the model was run back in October with that assumption.             
He added, "And if we were able to finance at today's rates, our                
rates and charges would be lower than the estimates that were in               
the financial model.  When we ran the financial model, we thought              
it was only fair to include a bit of a cushion in that assumption."            
                                                                               
Number 0325                                                                    
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN COWDERY asked what percentage of the package is for                   
contingencies of that nature?                                                  
                                                                               
MR. KING said he didn't have that exact number, but he would be                
happy to furnish the committee with that information.                          
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN COWDERY questioned how much of the finance plan would be              
used to pay the investment brokers, bankers, or bond counselors.               
                                                                               
MR. KING responded the cost of issuance, which is the aggregate                
amount of the investment bankers and lawyers, will be fees that are            
negotiated by the state bond committee which is the entity that                
authorizes the actual issuance of the bonds.  He presumed those                
fees would be consistent with the going rates for those services at            
the time the services are engaged.                                             
                                                                               
Number 0339                                                                    
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN COWDERY asked if Mr. King had a ballpark estimate of those            
fees.                                                                          
                                                                               
MR. KING estimated that for an issue of this size, it would be a               
little more than 1 percent of the aggregate transaction when all               
the costs are taken into consideration as a whole.  He added that              
it would be the correct purview of the state bond committee to                 
negotiate those prices with the firms chosen to do the work because            
there are quality considerations, as well as price considerations              
that enter into those selections.                                              
                                                                               
Number 0351                                                                    
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN COWDERY asked how much Mr. King was being paid and does               
the amount increase or decrease with the size of the project.                  
                                                                               
MR. KING stated his rate is approximately $145 per hour and his                
compensation does not increase or decrease with the size of the                
project.  He further stated his job is to give the airport good                
information so the airport can make good decisions in terms of what            
to do.                                                                         
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN COWDERY asked if Mr. King's job came about by the                     
competitive bid process?                                                       
                                                                               
MR. KING replied yes, it did.  He is a subconsultant to the RISE               
Alaska team which is headed by Leif Selkregg, and that team was                
selected in a competitive bid process.                                         
                                                                               
Number 0362                                                                    
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE PHILLIPS remarked that in November the financing                
plan showed a bonding requirement of $177 million and today it has             
increased to $204 million.  She asked Mr. King to explain the                  
difference in the package.                                                     
                                                                               
MR. KING responded the package has not changed.  He said, "I think             
one of the comments I would have is, as I was listening to the                 
testimony before about the reference to the numbers -- some of the             
numbers given out -- 191, 164, 235, 204, 177 et cetera, is that                
these numbers are all the same project, they're just taking                    
different definitions.  It's sort of like saying apples and oranges            
and bananas.  They're all numbers that relate to the project, but              
they're all taken in a different context."                                     
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE PHILLIPS asked if the committee could use the $177              
million figure to work with?                                                   
                                                                               
MR. KING asked for the citation from which the $177 million was                
taken.                                                                         
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE PHILLIPS responded it was from November's plan.                 
                                                                               
Number 0379                                                                    
                                                                               
KURT PARKAN, Deputy Commissioner, Department of Transportation &               
Public Facilities, said he believed Representative Phillips was                
referring to the bottom of the third column on page 2 of the Plan              
of Finance dated November 5, 1997, which indicates $176.6 million.             
                                                                               
MR. KING explained that number is the result of about six different            
things.  He said, "The total cost of the project in 1997 dollars is            
and always has been in these numbers that we've been running,                  
$190,800,000 or $191 million if people are rounding.  That is the              
starting point.  There is an entry next to that, $26.3 million                 
which represents the federal highway allocation by the state and               
that gets you to the airport cost of the project in 1997 dollars of            
$164,500,000.  So, those are three numbers which are talked about              
a lot - the 191, the 26.3 and the 164.5, but they all are                      
consistent and they all are just different ways of expressing the              
same project."                                                                 
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE PHILLIPS interjected she was trying to arrive at the            
difference between the $176.6 million which is shown as the needed             
financing in November versus the $204 million that's shown today.              
                                                                               
MR. KING said the $176.6 million shown in November is the end                  
result of starting with the total project cost and making several              
assumptions about how the actual financing plan would play out.                
For example, there's an assumption of 24 months of capitalized                 
interest and what that would cost.  That 24 months of capitalized              
interest assumption is based upon the assumed interest rates that              
were in the financial model back in November.  The next line item,             
the credit construction fund earnings, is a number that's based on             
a couple of assumptions.  First, that a single bond issue would be             
done, which as he explained in the previous meeting, would require             
the approval of the Internal Revenue Service to allow for a single             
bond issue.  It's based on the assumption of an interest rate for              
the construction fund earnings over that five year period and it's             
based on the assumed drawdown schedule of the funds during that                
five years because all of those considerations impact the earnings.            
He further explained the next assumption, line item financing costs            
including bond insurance is an aggregate number which includes the             
underwriters compensation, the attorneys' compensation and the                 
predominant number is the cost of the municipal bond insurance                 
policy, which is what would be used to get the triple A rating and             
the lowest cost in the market.                                                 
                                                                               
Number 0427                                                                    
                                                                               
MR. KING said the important thing about all those assumptions is               
they add up to the $230 million of total all in costs and there are            
a number of assumptions he refers to as subtotal subtractions, that            
yield the $176.6 million.  He noted the $176.6 million is basically            
calculated as an estimate of what the real actual financing would              
cost if all the described assumptions came into play.                          
                                                                               
Number 0432                                                                    
                                                                               
MR. KING continued to explain the $204 million was submitted                   
because when an authorization is done, an outside parameter is set             
which cannot be exceeded and it's important in that sort of a                  
context to have the outside parameter of what could possibly                   
happen.  The outside parameter of what could possibly happen would             
be if, for example, the IRS said we could not finance as one bond              
issue and if it had to be broken up into two bond issues, there                
would not be the construction fund earnings for the period of time             
which was originally assumed, so the construction fund earnings                
would drop substantially and the capitalized interest would not                
necessarily be the same as assumed.  Also, the financing costs                 
would increase because there would be two transactions instead of              
one.  He said all of those are examples of how things could change             
from the estimate of what we could do back in November.  He said,              
"So taking that into consideration and taking into consideration               
that we're setting an outside limit that we cannot under any                   
circumstances exceed because it is laid out in the legislation, the            
decision was made to take the total financing costs all in of $230             
million and subtract a round number of $26 million representing the            
highway money from the $230 million to get to the $204 million."               
He apologized for the technical nature of the description, but the             
subject itself is somewhat technical.                                          
                                                                               
Number 0456                                                                    
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE MULDER said, "I've got a question in relation to the            
security of this debt in relation to the fact that you've done the             
modeling for this plan and it's based upon the assumption that                 
there's going to be a percentage of growth in airport traffic -- I             
don't know, something maybe in the 5 or 6 percentage range or                  
something like that -- and consequently, there's projection of new             
gates, new ticketing, new baggage claim, new retail.  How secure               
is this debt in the sense of what happens if the growth slows,                 
stagnants, some of these new gates aren't purchased -- how much                
flexibility is in this plan, in your modeling?"                                
                                                                               
MR. KING said first the model uses the assumptions which he was                
given in areas where he does not generate the assumptions himself.             
In short, he used the activity levels in terms of the enplanement              
growth which was generated by the consultants that were hired who              
specialize in that area.  Those consultants are TAMS consultants               
and Joel Hirsh (ph), both of whom are recognized experts.  In                  
addition, those enplanement growth assumptions generated by those              
experts, were consistent with the enplanement assumptions the                  
Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has.  In answer to the first             
part of Representative Mulder's question, he used enplanement                  
assumptions given to him, but he was comfortable with the                      
assumptions because they had been developed with a great degree of             
care by people who were qualified to make those assumptions.  To               
the second part of Representative Mulder's question, he said if the            
assumptions are correct, the financial model shows that the 2002               
rates and charges at Anchorage after the completion of this project            
would be competitive with the triple AE, which is a national study,            
averages on a national level for the 1995/1996 rates and charges,              
which is the most recent national study.  If the enplanement                   
numbers were wrong and the charges were higher, he believed there              
is still a comfortable amount of room to have rates and charges                
which are higher than the model projects, but still equal to or                
less than what the national averages will be for similar sized                 
airports in the year 2002.                                                     
                                                                               
Number 0492                                                                    
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE MULDER asked if the model was predicated on having              
all the retail space 100 percent occupied and all the gates 100                
percent filled and utilized in order to meet the forecast.                     
                                                                               
MR. KING said, "No, and in fact that's a very good question because            
in some earlier considerations internally within the group at the              
airport, we had talked about that and we ended up using what we                
consider to be some fairly conservative assumptions that relate to,            
I think, approximately 80 percent occupancy in the beginning that              
increases and we have those numbers, I believe they're in the back             
of one of the gray books -- bear with me one second, I can give                
that to you -- we assumed that the occupancy in the year 2002 would            
be 80 percent; 2003 80 percent; 2004 83 percent; 2005 and                      
thereafter 89 percent.  And the total vacant square footage that's             
assumed for the long term, 2005 and thereafter, is 27,000 square               
feet.  There was a lot of discussion about these numbers because               
you could say that they are conservative or you could say that                 
they're overly conservative, depending on your point of view, but              
they certainly are conservative numbers and we're not assuming 100             
percent occupancy for the model.  I would say, however, that when              
the consultants were designing the facility, they interviewed the              
airlines that used the airport and had extensive discussions with              
them about what their space needs would be and the facility was                
designed in response to the feedback that the consultants got from             
those discussions.  So, again while I don't generate those numbers             
that go in the model, I do review the information that's given to              
me and as in the case of the enplanement, I felt comfortable that              
the numbers were legitimate and were done carefully by people that             
are experts in that business."                                                 
                                                                               
Number 0519                                                                    
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN COWDERY asked Mr. King to stand by for additional                     
questions later on.  He asked Don Harris from Anchorage to present             
his comments.                                                                  
                                                                               
Number 0521                                                                    
                                                                               
DON HARRIS testified via teleconference and said he had been the               
commissioner of the Department of Transportation & Public                      
Facilities from 1974 - 1979.  When he left the administration, the             
north/south runway at AIA was under construction, the international            
terminal building was in the design phase and the A Concourse                  
extension had been built.  The north/south runways, associated                 
taxiways and the international terminal building were completed                
with surpluses in cashflow.  At that time, the bond debt of the                
airport was paid down to just under  a half million dollars.  He               
believed those were the three most significant capital improvement             
projects that have taken place at AIA in the last 20 years.  He                
said, "Yet, I was somewhat chagrined and within about four years of            
time on the international terminal  building expansion because at              
the time we were contemplating it, I'd asked several times for                 
people to look ahead and see what we were faced in technology that             
might have aircraft bypassing Alaska and the response I got was                
that they didn't see anything in the future.  The airlines, the                
latest thing they were operating in long range capability, was the             
SP model of the 747 but within four years they'd repowered the 747s            
and they were able to overfly Anchorage and Alaska."                           
                                                                               
Number 0549                                                                    
                                                                               
MR. HARRIS suggested to the legislature that what's being proposed             
in this plan is probably excessive and it's been promoted with a               
considerable amount of hype.  It's his understanding that up until             
July all the carriers were in agreement on the replacement of the              
C Concourse project.  Some of the carriers have indicated to him               
they had no input beyond that time and now they're faced with the              
project before the committee.  He encouraged the legislature to                
take some time to thoroughly evaluate how the space is being used              
in the present terminal complex and other considerations before                
giving the go ahead.                                                           
                                                                               
Number 0578                                                                    
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE PHILLIPS asked Mr. Harris what his opinion was of               
passenger facility charges.                                                    
                                                                               
TAPE 98-3, SIDE B                                                              
Number 0001                                                                    
                                                                               
MR. HARRIS responded it appears to him that perhaps the Anchorage              
facility either isn't being utilized to the extent that is                     
desirable, or perhaps the charges are too low.  With the amount of             
capital that's been put into the Anchorage airport, he felt it                 
should generate enough fees to take care of the future capital                 
improvement program.                                                           
                                                                               
Number 0009                                                                    
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN COWDERY asked Mr. Harris if he thought there was a need               
for the project and if so, should it be downsized.                             
                                                                               
MR. HARRIS responded it's his belief that if a program is agreed to            
by all the carriers, it's worthy of going ahead with.  He added,               
"But to go into a financing -- I think I heard last night that we              
had roughly $33 million of current debt -- and to authorize that               
for another $175 million to go into the kind of a program that's               
contemplated here, I think that would be a mistake.  I think that              
you should review all of the possibilities and I really believe                
that you can do a terminal expansion and related improvements with             
the surpluses, the cashflow, that include the funds that come from             
the FAA through the Airport Improvement Program (AIP) and the                  
discretionary funds from FAA."                                                 
                                                                               
Number 0036                                                                    
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE RYAN shared some of his experiences from time spent             
working in the aviation industry.  He noted the proposal is based              
on passengers not freight, which is where the revenue is.  Inasmuch            
as the entire proposal is predicated on expansion for passengers,              
he asked where the revenue was going to come from.                             
                                                                               
Number 0061                                                                    
                                                                               
BILL ELANDER, President and Chief Executive Officer, Anchorage                 
Convention and Visitors Bureau (ACVB), testified on behalf of the              
board of directors of the Anchorage Convention and Visitors Bureau             
which represents 1360 businesses, most of which are in                         
Southcentral.  He said the board of directors had reviewed the                 
airport expansion project and unanimously supported not only the               
2005 project, but would like to see consideration given to the 2015            
project for future development.  He said the ACVB looked at it                 
primarily from the passenger standpoint, and it was somewhat their             
mistake in belief that it was ultimately the passengers that would             
pay for the terminal, but now it appears that's not the case.  He              
noted that some carriers are being added while others are dropping             
out.  Reno Air is strong, Southwest Airlines left, TWA is back in,             
Northwest is coming in on international flights direct from Tokyo,             
which indicates a very strong growth pattern.                                  
                                                                               
MR. ELANDER said the world is in an age of travel.  The                        
deregulation of airlines has given a lot of freedom to airlines to             
go where the demand is.  It is for this purpose, the ACVB believes             
the expansion is essential; the demand is growing and will continue            
to be there, so immediate action should be taken to try to bring               
Anchorage International Airport up to beyond the 40 percent                    
capability it should have for the future.  He said that travel is              
here to stay; it is the largest business in the world today.                   
International travel will begin to again appear into the Anchorage             
airport for the right reasons; not for refueling, but because                  
passengers will want to get off in Anchorage.                                  
                                                                               
Number 0098                                                                    
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN COWDERY asked Mr. Elander what his position was on                    
passenger facility charges.                                                    
                                                                               
MR. ELANDER said the passenger service charges in Anchorage are                
probably far less than most airports he has flown into around the              
country.  Airport personnel outside of Alaska he has talked with               
have indicated that passengers are willing to pay for a proper                 
terminal.  It's frustrating for individuals coming into Anchorage              
to face the congestion of the baggage claim area as it is for                  
outbound passengers in the ticketing area.  He maintained that as              
long as there's competition, there will be good air fares in                   
Anchorage.                                                                     
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN COWDERY thanked Mr. Elander for his testimony and asked if            
Mort Plumb was available to comment.                                           
                                                                               
Number 0119                                                                    
                                                                               
MORT PLUMB, Director, Anchorage International Airport, clarified               
his statement from the previous meeting regarding an incorrect                 
figure.  He said the correct figure is, as a gauge approximately $1            
million per 1,000 linear feet of taxiway, not square feet.                     
                                                                               
Number 0127                                                                    
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE PHILLIPS said it was her understanding the Anchorage            
International Airport has collected over $14 million in prior years            
for terminal design and related improvement projects.  She asked if            
that money was taken into consideration to reduce the $204 million             
bond request.  If not, what happened to the money, how much is left            
and why wasn't it considered?                                                  
                                                                               
MR. PLUMB recalled that about $6.1 million was transferred and                 
included in Mr. King's calculation in the model.  He asked John                
Unger to further comment.                                                      
                                                                               
Number 0138                                                                    
                                                                               
JOHN UNGER, System Controller, Anchorage and Fairbanks Airports,               
said there had been three separate appropriations, adding up to                
$14.5 million.  The first appropriation was for $3 million which               
was to study C Concourse and determine if it could be repaired,                
replaced or what other options were available.  There was a $4.5               
million appropriation for a needs assessment study.  A $7.2 million            
appropriation a couple years ago was based on C Concourse being                
torn down and included funds to build a warehouse for the building             
maintenance people so they could begin to vacate C Concourse; it               
was money to relocate tenants.  He said basically out of the $14.5             
million, $6.1 million would be available to go on with the                     
construction and design of the terminal, and the $6.1 million has              
been reduced from the total cost of the bond package.                          
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE PHILLIPS asked if the $14 million wasn't just for               
terminal design, but it was for general maintenance as well?                   
                                                                               
MR. UNGER said the first $3 million was to actually start the                  
studies on the existing problems with C Concourse and to make                  
determinations whether it was feasible to repair it and if not,                
start taking steps to replace it.  He knew that part of the money              
was for studies and part of it was used to tear down a chimney on              
C Concourse.  He suggested that Donn Ketner could better address               
the scope of those projects.                                                   
                                                                               
Number 0158                                                                    
                                                                               
DONN KETNER, Architect, CCS, explained that he is the project                  
manager for the terminal portion of the terminal redevelopment                 
project.  He said the status of the funds are as follows:  The                 
original $3 million that was appropriated quite some time ago went             
into a number of studies to evaluate the structural capacity of                
Concourse C.  A number of dangerous conditions that existed were               
identified and some of the funds were used for construction to                 
correct some of those conditions, such as the masonry chimney                  
alluded to by Mr. Unger.  Also, a program was put together to                  
vacate and demolish Concourse C independent of the terminal                    
expansion program.  That was the $7.2 million that was requested,              
and of that $7.2 million a new 20,000 square foot warehouse and                
maintenance facility was constructed to move that function out of              
Concourse C.  He explained that administrative offices were in the             
design process to replace offices and other tenant relocations and             
at that time, it began apparent through some of the early studies              
on the terminal expansion program that it would be prudent to hold             
off on those improvements until such time as they could see where              
the master plan for the terminal expansion was going.                          
                                                                               
Number 0179                                                                    
                                                                               
MR. KETNER said some of those monies remain on the books.  He said,            
"We have also received approval by the Airlines Affairs Committee,             
(indisc.) million of the original $7.2 million into the terminal               
expansion program, so that represents part of the $6.1 million that            
you see in the financial plan."  He suggested that a financial                 
statement could be made available to the committee that would                  
identify when the funds were appropriated, what the funds were used            
for, what funds remain, and the current amount in the terminal                 
expansion program.                                                             
                                                                               
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:  "I believe the first appropriation came on              
the books in 1993 or 94."                                                      
                                                                               
Number 0193                                                                    
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE MULDER commented that more than $3 million had been             
spent studying potentials and opportunities and it appears to him              
that it's Mr. Plumb's task to gain control of the money that is                
being spent.  A lot of money has been spent doing nothing to have              
eight pieces of paper put before the committee in relation to a                
work product, which didn't seem to be a very good return on the                
investment thus far.                                                           
                                                                               
MR. PLUMB accepted the challenge.                                              
                                                                               
Number 0206                                                                    
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE PHILLIPS understood the airport system currently                
holds over $36 million in unencumbered and unspent old capital                 
improvement project funds from prior years.  If this is the case,              
is this cash in the bank, was it collected from the airlines and               
other airport users and why isn't it being used for this project.              
                                                                               
Number 0213                                                                    
                                                                               
MR. UNGER responded it is true the airport is holding $36 million              
or $37 million of capital money that's been collected over the                 
years from the airlines for projects that have been appropriated               
previously.  He added, "Both airports went through an extensive                
review this summer, because this was a big sticking point with the             
airlines, WE went through project by project, came up with about $5            
million or $6 million of money that they felt these projects had               
either been completed or weren't going to be started and the money             
was lapsed and basically refunded back to the carriers through this            
year's landing fees.  The remaining $36 million is projects that               
both airport managers feel are ongoing and that these projects will            
be completed.  The Alaska International Airport System recently                
adopted a capital project close out policy and basically what it               
says is that as soon as an appropriation comes on the books, they              
have five years to complete that project and the money will then be            
closed out and any project older than five years that for some                 
reason hasn't been completed that the airport managers still feel              
that they need cash, has to be presented to the commissioner's                 
office for their approval in order to keep that project alive                  
longer than five years."                                                       
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE PHILLIPS asked if there is $36 million in the bank              
for ongoing renovation projects in the airport, why wasn't that $36            
million applied to the expansion project being worked on now.                  
                                                                               
MR. UNGER said the reason was because these are totally separate               
projects and have nothing to do with the terminal expansion.                   
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE PHILLIPS asked Mr. Unger to furnish the committee               
with a list of those projects.  She said, "With the scope of the               
project that you have in front of us today, I can't imagine that               
there is anything at the airport under the scope of the project                
that you have presented, that wouldn't be covered.                             
                                                                               
MR. UNGER said the list would be made available for the committee.             
He noted that quite a few of the projects are airfield improvements            
and some are terminal improvement projects.                                    
                                                                               
Number 0245                                                                    
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE RYAN referred to the "Terminal Expansion 2005                   
Projects" document which indicates that in June 1997, the                      
Administration's preliminary construction costs estimates include              
over 50 percent contingency which he believed to be excessive.  He             
asked if that was still correct.                                               
                                                                               
MR. KETNER responded there are two contingencies built into the                
program in the current estimate.  One contingency is a 10 percent              
change order contingency on construction.  For new construction                
there is a 20 percent change order contingency built in to the                 
estimate only for the portions of the terminal that are to be                  
renovated and there is an overall program contingency on the                   
project of 10 percent.  So collectively, there is a 20 percent                 
contingency, including change order contingency.                               
                                                                               
Number 0261                                                                    
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE RYAN, referring to the same document, said the                  
operating agreements with the airlines expire in two years and will            
need to be renegotiated about the time the project comes on line.              
He wondered what kind of guarantees that the same agreement or                 
better could be negotiated with the airlines; i.e., letters of                 
intent or signatory agreements?                                                
                                                                               
MR. PLUMB said he believed the answer would be no.                             
                                                                               
Number 0275                                                                    
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE NORM ROKEBERG said, "A follow up on the -- in terms             
of the contingency amount, I'd like to get that clarified and                  
perhaps you could provide the committee with your calculations                 
because it's been my experience in the construction industry and               
business, that you usually are doing contingency in line item                  
budget estimates which actually start compounding.  So when you                
talk about that component of the construction that's new                       
construction having a 10 percent change order there, and then with             
a separate column, I take it, you'd have a 20 percent change order             
for the renovation portion.  But then you take that all together               
and then you have 10 percent of that in your project contingency,              
so somewhere there's a blended rate that comes out there and we'd              
like to see the calculations."                                                 
                                                                               
Number 0288                                                                    
                                                                               
DAVID EBERLE, Director, Construction & Operation, Central Region,              
Department of Transportation & Public Facilities, said the 10                  
percent contingency relative to change orders is really a                      
contingency on the engineer's estimate of the estimated                        
construction costs for a given contract.  There's a limit to the               
accuracies of the engineer's ability to estimate, so on his                    
estimate, he adds 10 percent for that contract, not knowing what               
the bid is going to come in at.  He said that is a reasonable                  
amount to apply to a construction estimate.  Above and beyond that,            
there needs to an overall program contingency to be prudent and go             
forward with the project.  He stated, "You don't want to go into a             
project with a zero overall program contingency because you may                
have some unidentified needs that will come up during the actual               
final development of the plan for the overall program."  The other             
estimates are basically known quantities, either Concourse C, known            
ramp requirements.  That's were the initial 10 percent comes in.               
To a certain extent there is a compounding of those contingencies,             
but it's not unusual and it's certainly is prudent to have                     
contingencies in both of those spots.  In his opinion, the amount              
of those contingencies is also a very prudent level, in his                    
experience.                                                                    
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE ROKEBERG appreciated Mr. Eberle's explanation and               
said the committee would like to review how the calculations were              
made and to see the impacts of those numbers on the gross project              
costs.  He asked if the plans for this project gone beyond what he             
called a "block planning architectural stage" and into a (indisc.)             
preliminary design and engineering stages for cost estimation or               
how was the cost estimation derived for various parts of the                   
project.                                                                       
                                                                               
MR. EBERLE responded the cost estimates are basically based on                 
conceptual level plans, square footage and known portions of the               
project that can be readily identified based on historical costs               
for things like apron construction, et cetera.  He said, "We're not            
anywhere near final design; we have just started schematic designs             
which is the preliminary stages of a final design.  Until we get               
well into design, it's going to be difficult to refine those                   
numbers.  But anytime you go into a project, you need to go into a             
project with your eyes open and have adequate funds set aside to               
take care of the unknowns that might occur.  Yes, we might be able             
to tighten up this number as we get through the final design phase             
but right now it would be very risky to go in with much less in the            
way ....                                                                       
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE ROKEBERG commented this project is analogous to a               
project called the Trans Alaska Gas Pipeline Project which has a               
floating number of $15 billion and the hope is that that particular            
project once it gets into preliminary engineering and design and               
gets through conceptual engineering into more harder drawings, may             
be able to be reduced to about $12 billion.  He said, "I guess I'm             
very concerned right now that we've reached this point where we                
have a conceptual design and a block plan in the rendering and                 
we've go some really extraordinary high numbers here.  We haven't              
even reached the stage where even concepts like valuation                      
engineering come into play ....  I'm kind of concerned right now               
that the net gate jetway gate increase in the whole project is                 
perhaps four, maximum five, and that may not be entirely true                  
depending on where the regional carrier parking apron is and the               
traffic flow in certain areas of the parking apron.  There's been              
one analysis that said we're going to get two new jetways and so               
it's going to cost us $100 million for a new jetway.  Can you                  
respond to that?"                                                              
                                                                               
MR. PLUMB said he would ask Mr. Ketner to respond to the details of            
what the improvements are in the overall project, and added that               
it's certainly not just the gates; the gates are a very small part             
of this.                                                                       
                                                                               
Number 0353                                                                    
                                                                               
MR. KETNER pointed out the total cost involves airside development,            
roadside development with an extension of an elevated curbside road            
as well as surface roads, expanded parking, landscaping, and then              
a portion of it, of course, is the terminal.  He added, "In terms              
of gate requirements, the way that the gate requirements were                  
determined was by a programmer by the name of Joel Hirsh who took              
TAMS numbers, did a considerable amount of study on airline                    
schedules and overall enplanement projections and based gate                   
requirements on an average peak hour situation for the summer at               
Anchorage International.  The result of the needs assessment                   
indicated that we, by the year 2005 with roughly three million                 
enplanements, would require an additional five jet positions and               
seven additional regional parking positions.  What we have done in             
terms of an overall design is to look at how we could, as                      
efficiently as possible, use the apron around the existing terminal            
building and the new terminal.  In an effort to reduce the number              
of total gates that we had to build, what we have done is relied on            
a cross-utilization of three jet gate positions to be cross used               
with regional parking.  The schedules that we have on some of the              
jet carriers that only come in during the night allow that same                
apron space to be available for regional operations during the day.            
I think that part of our concern here is that when we look at our              
overall program, we do in fact increase the structural gate                    
capacity of the terminal by five gates for a total of 24, and we do            
increase the number of regional parking positions to a total of 20.            
Now what that means in the future is that if we are able to                    
maintain the cross-utilization of those spaces that we anticipate              
we can do, that's good but if the schedules of the airlines change             
with time such that that cross-utilization becomes less, then what             
that does is drive us to a larger gate requirement."  He offered to            
give the committee a breakdown on the various component of the                 
project and the cost of each component.                                        
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN COWDERY asked Mr. Ketner to submit that in writing for the            
committee.                                                                     
                                                                               
Number 0405                                                                    
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE MULDER said he was concerned that the committee was             
being asked to authorize $204 million approval of a "concept."  He             
asked if this was typical in terms of the way Anchorage                        
International Airport has operated in the past and is it typical of            
the way other airports have operated.                                          
                                                                               
MR. EBERLE said, "Let me speak to some projects other than                     
airports.  My involvement in other major projects of this size and             
larger, were really projects that the legislature appropriated                 
capital monies for initially to do much of the preliminary                     
engineering and design work to bring it up to a higher level of                
confidence when the entire project is then scoped and brought back             
as a total package.  In this particular case however, all of these             
costs are being paid for through airport revenue funds in one form             
or another and in order to launch into the depth of the design that            
you would need to go in to (indisc.) number, it's going to take a              
considerable investment with respect to the design and it's only               
prudent to address the whole project before one spends millions and            
millions of dollars trying to refine a design.  What we're doing               
basically here is putting before you the whole program so that you             
see the whole program and not just piecemealing monies for                     
preliminary design followed by final design without really knowing             
where this whole thing is headed and what the overall target plan              
is."                                                                           
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE MULDER said that everyone recognizes there are needs            
at the Anchorage International Airport and that upgrades and                   
expansions are necessary.  However, in his experience, he found it             
unusual for a concept to be approved as opposed to funding a study             
or engineering and design, and then bringing back a more concrete              
assessment of the project.  He said, "Right now what you're                    
basically asking us is -- give us the money and trust us and no                
offense, but in past experience - if the $14.5 million that we                 
authorized in the past is any indication, I don't have a whole lot             
of confidence."  He reiterated his concern with authorizing a                  
concept without having some assurance that the project will not end            
up costing more than originally projected.                                     
                                                                               
MR. EBERLE replied, "Well, we're into a bit of the chicken and the             
egg as far as being able to bring monies to the table and develop              
these things to a full fledged design so that you can refine the               
numbers.  It's not uncommon to bond a project of this nature and               
George King can certainly speak to that; he's been involved in a               
lot of airport projects of this nature, and I don't think what                 
we're asking for is unusual from that standpoint.  We can certainly            
come back with refined numbers as we progress into this."                      
                                                                               
Number 0465                                                                    
                                                                               
MR. KING said there are two different issues.  One is the issue of             
what is the most economic, efficient, low cost, low risk and                   
flexible approach to doing the funding in order to deliver the                 
money that' needed at the right time and the right amount to do the            
project.  That's a financial planning efficiency question and there            
are techniques for doing just that, and those techniques have been             
employed in this financial plan.  The separate question is the                 
actual expenditure of the money and the program and project                    
management system that's used in order to make sure that the money             
is spent efficiency, that the construction bids are done in the                
most economical way to get the right size of the bid and the right             
drawdown schedules, making sure that projects are done in the right            
sequence, et cetera.  All of those implementation issues in terms              
of how to spend money well are a separate question than the                    
questions related to how to raise money well.  He felt those should            
be viewed as two separate questions and as to whether the financial            
plan approaches the issue of raising the money well, the answer is             
yes.  On the issue of spending the money well, Mr. Eberle was                  
speaking to the approaches that will be used in order to ensure the            
money is spent well.                                                           
                                                                               
Number 0508                                                                    
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE PHILLIPS noted that Chairman Cowdery had requested              
that airport officials respond in writing to the issues that had               
been raised.  She had two issues to add to the list; i.e., what are            
the exact plans and proposals for expansion and improvement of the             
baggage claim system and what are the plans for designated glycol              
disposal areas and recycling centers for the glycol.                           
                                                                               
Number 0520                                                                    
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE RYAN asked if passenger facility fee were included              
in the projections.  If so, what are the projected revenues from               
that fee and the importance of those fees to this project.  He                 
asked the response be submitted in writing.                                    
                                                                               
Number 0532                                                                    
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE ROKEBERG noted he was particularly interested in the            
PERT chart or implementation schedule, which outlines the timing of            
the various elements of the projected.  He was concerned with "what            
is called out as the design point for what underneath in the year              
2000, 2001 and also 2001 and going into 2002, whether it appears as            
if you're using a fast track method of design on something that's              
been funded like several years prior to that, and I'm kind of                  
curious about why those design elements are called for at that                 
particular point in time.  Additionally, Mr. Chairman, I think this            
goes with what the Speaker is getting at too, it seems as if we're             
going to spend $40 million to extend what's called, I believe, the             
west terminal five feet out (indisc.-mumbling) that includes the               
entire amount of core and shell costs and finish work and the other            
conveyance systems and things of that nature.  I'm kind of                     
wondering what we're getting into.  Also, Mr. Chairman, my final               
thing is that I'd like to know if in their cost per square foot                
numbers, what those are for the various components - I'd like to               
see that.  I'd also like to know if they include the finish work               
elements, not just the -- they should be broken out between and                
core and shell and the finish work element of the project."                    
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN COWDERY said he'd like to have the responses in writing               
before the next meeting.  He had several questions he would like to            
have addressed as well: Are there any firm commitments from the                
airlines or others to rent the approximate  717,000 square feet                
being proposed for the new terminal; what about the concessaires;              
how much will the rent increase per square foot; will the existing             
tenants be given preference; and how much will be used for                     
executive or other airport offices.                                            
                                                                               
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MR. HARRIS advised committee members that Concourse A was built for            
about $7.5 million without the loading bridges and the                         
international terminal building for about $17 million.  He believed            
the finished product with the fueling stands and loading bridges               
came to about $23 million total.                                               
                                                                               
ADJOURNMENT                                                                    
                                                                               
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CHAIRMAN COWDERY recessed the House Special Committee on                       
International Trade and Tourism AT 6:48 p.m. to the call of the                
Chair.                                                                         

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